{fighting for life}: Not-so-good reads
She uses a straw man argument? SHE USES A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT? Wow, I’m sorry, there is a case of pots and kettles here. Aren’t you the blog that equates abortion to the Holocaust? Aren’t you the blog that said “Hitler would love abortions”? Aren’t you the blog that “purposefully gave a vague answer” (à la http://allarecreatedequal.tumblr.com/post/24352328948/planned-parenthood-claims-that-abortion-is-3-of-their ) when faced with a statistic about Planned Parenthood that you didn’t know, and couldn’t even be bothered to do a quick Google search to find out anything to support your argument. If you’re going to argue abortion, argue it. Come onto my blog and give me a definitive and well thought out reason against abortion. Until you do, your arguments are worse than useless.I’ve been reading the book How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics and the War on Sex lately. Aside from the hugely alarming conclusions one must naturally draw from the title alone, there is a ridiculous amount of untruth in this book, including a ridiculous claim standing…
On abortion and the Holocaust:
Three times the word person has been redefined.
Once as an excuse for slavery, 1857.
Once as an excuse for the Holocaust, 1936.
Once as an excuse for abortion, 1973.
Also, the main definition of “holocaust,” is “mass slaughter or destruction.” No one can argue that embryos and fetuses are not getting slaughtered and destroyed in large numbers—nearly 4,000 are aborted each day in America.
Comparing abortion to the Holocaust or to a holocaust isn’t the mark of a terrible person, it’s the use of logic.
On Hitler and abortions:
One of the first things he did was legalize abortions.
On Planned Parenthood’s abortion activity:
Like I said, I knew that statistic of Planned Parenthood’s services only being 3% abortions. I have researched it, but their lies are pretty widespread.
In conclusion:
I argue abortion daily. On my own blog, on other blogs, on campuses, etc. However, part of being an activist is realizing that other people who are firmly set in their views are quite unlikely to switch opinions. If someone posts something utterly ridiculous, I’ll answer them. But it’d be a waste of time to argue with everyone, especially those who have set up their own pro-choice blogs. That’s why I don’t follow posters onto their blogs and rant at them.
In 1857 the redefinition was to exclude people of colour. In 1936 it was to exclude gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, the disabled, and other “Undesirables”. Humans. Living, breathing. Humans. Humans that could talk. Humans that could argue their case. Humans that had sentience and could feel pain and could lament the oppression they were being placed under. So tell me. Tell me how that is related to a group of cells. Don’t bring the “it’s a baby” bullshit out here. In the time during pregnancy that abortions are legal the foetus doesn’t gain intelligence, or feel pain. So yeah, I kind of will call you a terrible person, because when a woman chooses to have an abortion it’s not because she thinks that babies are substandard humans, and it’s not because she has a vendetta against foetuses. It’s because she believes that the quality of life that child would experience is low enough to not make it worth it.
I’ll have to just laugh at your point at Hitler. I mean, really I am laughing. I did a bit of research because, you know, I don’t remember that particular policy of Hitler’s. I remembered a different policy. And you know what I found out here? Weimar Germany legalised abortion, years before Hitler’s rise to power. Hitler’s Germany actually made them illegal - but only for Aryan people, obviously. It was his belief that only those in society that were pure enough should have children. So yes, abortion was forced on some. But in the end of it all, Hitler was pro-life. So I’d be careful with your argument that Hitler was pro-abortion. Because his views are closer to yours than mine. But hey, I’m not likening you to Hitler! What am I, a pro-lifer?
Have you researched Roswell, 9/11 and Kennedy’s assassination, too? I’ve been told by many reliable crackpots that “you can’t trust the system, maaaan”, so clearly I should be telling them that Planned Parenthood is under the Illuminati, right?
“If someone posts something utterly ridiculous, I’ll answer them”. Never a truer word said. Well, you posted something ridiculous, and I answered. Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that you and everyone on earth must immediately have abortions, because funnily enough nobody that’s pro-choice wants that. But I’d prefer to have the choice. You can choose to not have one. And I, if I did get pregnant (although I would be a bit surprised, seeing as I have a girlfriend) I would like the choice to be available to me.
I guess we should just legislate the murder of all humans that can’t talk, argue, feel pain, or lament their oppression. And if you’re going to argue sentience, infanticide should also be legalized, since newborns are not sentient until about 20 days after birth.
Women choose to have abortion for many reasons other than the child’s future quality of life (which, by the way, can only be assumed since we can’t see the future). The majority of abortions are not performed because of rape, incest, physical health, or fetal disability.
Hitler did legalize abortion—for those who were disabled or “worth less.” And by the way, hasn’t anyone ever taught you that Wikipedia is a terrible source? Hitler was not pro-life, because he supported infanticide, feticide, homicide, and torture of anyone who was not Aryan.
A few of the reasons I believe Planned Parenthood should be defunded are below, and none of them have to do with the fact that they’re a major organization:
1) They are the country’s biggest abortion provider
2) They support a lot of sketchy things (and yes, I have seen the full sting videos Live Action has put out, and not just the shortened versions)
3) The organization as a whole sees women as money makers
4) They get millions of dollars yearly of my tax money, and of the tax money of other individuals who don’t agree with them
That’s not my argument and you know it.
What about money issues? There’s little by way of social security in the US. What if, hell, what if you just don’t want a child? Call me heartless but if there was a choice between resenting the child or waiting until the mother was ready, I don’t think there’s much of an argument to be had. And before you say it, neither the “you can put it up for adoption” or the “you just shouldn’t have had sex” lines are effective arguments.
No, Weimar Germany legalised abortions for all, under certain criteria. Hitler enforced abortion for those he didn’t feel fit into his world view, but luckily as no pro-choicer is arguing for eugenics I think we can safely call that particular argument moot. I’m sorry, I gave the link to cite a source (unlike you, unsurprisingly, so can you show if you’re getting information from anywhere other than Wikipedia or pro-life sites? Because I chose Wiki for its impartiality). I actually have an education, in which I studied Weimar and Nazi Germany. Unfortunately citing oneself is reserved for those without facts.
I’m sorry, but Planned Parenthood is. A. Business. It exists to make money. And while it does that it provides excellent care of all types to men and women. Although I completely understand your concern, if you pay millions of dollars in taxes. By which I mean, I don’t think you pay millions of pounds. I think that, considering the amount of taxpayers in the US and the funding they receive, a quick application of maths says that less than a pound goes towards Planed Parenthood. Oh, and by the way, if you actually took a look you would see that not a penny of federal money funds abortions. The patient either covers the cost themselves or goes to a private clinic. So really your taxes have nothing to do with abortions at all. Relevant arguments, please.
